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pinmiz
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 Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:07 am Post subject: |
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Vexie, schedule 2 to the Constitution outlines how a PM is elected. In this case if the motion goes through, that is Sikua loses the process out line in Schedule 2 picked in. The GG shall convene a meeting of members for the purpose of electing a Prime Minister by issuing to each member a notice. The notice will outline all the particulars and the requirements of the process such as the nomination period.
Because the election of PM is a constitutional requirement the PM has to be elected whether be it from the ruling government or from the opposition makes no difference. The process outline in schedule 2 to the Constitution has to be followed. |
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Vexie
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:33 am Post subject: MNC |
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pinmiz
The essence of my previous post is not so much on the constitutional process that should be adhered to prior to electing our new PM my friend. I'm questioning the 'WORDING' of the MNC. From what you posted, i understand that the resolution was from the 'national parliament', i thought that it should be the opposition group who make the submission who suppose to inscribe the wording of the MNC,,,Nomoa ia ba?
I probably need to understand something that i knew nothing about bro or sis.
Sorre fo confusim you earlier wantok, kaen english no steret ea. Steretem come Boss |
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pinmiz
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:53 am Post subject: |
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V,
I get your point. The wording of the motion is there to portray that the majority of mps have no confidence in the PM. The mover has to make a claim and the wording of the motion emphasizes that claim. The only way to prove the claim is to have it debated and vote on the floor of Parliament, the same floor that gave confidence in the PM.
It would be interesting if the government can counter this claim by moving an amendment to amend the wording of the motion so that it should read “That the National Parliament of Solomon Islands resolves that is has full confidence in the PM”. Procedurally this will be an interesting question. |
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sv
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:27 am Post subject: Notice for the motion of no confidence handed to Parliament |
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folks, if Fono's claim is true as reported by SIBC below then Soga is indeed a very desperate man, who probably need some mental counselling.
SIBC NEWS;
Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Rural development Fred Fono has accused Opposition leader Manasseh Sogavare of using unconventional means to oust the government.
In a news conference today Mr Fono says the Opposition leader has written to former combatants to support him in a motion of no confidence now before Parliament.
Mr Fono says the former combatants held a meeting yesterday of which the contents of their discussions were relayed to him.
He says the Opposition Leader is trying to use these young men for his own political ends while on the other hand, negative consequences could be the result.
"I am asking my good people, especially the young blocks that he is using for he own ends to refrain from collaborating with him to oust this current government. I am strongly asking them to refrain from any political lobbying or any threats to members of Parliament, especially those on the government side to get his support for this vote of no confidence in this current meeting of Parliament."
Mr Fono says these lobbying have always gone with threats.
Mr Fono says the Prime minister has been informed of the development who will brief the National Security Council and the Police Commissioner.
He says the government is intact with more than 36 supporters and that a Memorandum of Understanding was signed yesterday to back Dr Sikua as the Prime Minister.
It seems Soga n company are hell burnt on revenge and power hungry that they have decided to resort to illegal tactics!!!!!!
wanem taem Soga by save garem gud fala head????? |
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Mataaku
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:39 am Post subject: Dictator |
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| That is a CLEAR indication of a DICTATOR. He is not using our Police force or the Field Force, to back his move because he is not the PM. He resort to former combatant because they are easy to twist their nose, with cash. |
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AK47
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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The word "confidence" is the most abused word in our Parliamentary system. It has a lot of meanings-implications if you will, and sometimes our leaders don't really understand it.
First of all, a government may lose the confidence of the people but not the elected members as in the case of Ulufa'alu and Soga. Meaning that the civil society want a new government. Sometimes a government may not have the confidence of the elected MPs but the people as seen in the days of Billy Hill where people still wanted Hilly when MPs jumped ship.
I think its important to identify where the confidence lies, especially in the current tussle. What Sogavare claiming right now is absolutely fake. Dr. Sikua's government, at this state at least, does have the confidence of the people and the MPs and it is impossible to believe that a motion must be tabled because people are unhappy. I think the people aren't so scared as in the days of Sogavare in office.
Pimiz had already explained the process by which a PM is elected but I want to add to that in responds to Vexie:
| Quote: | | (i) does that mean, that any body in the rulling regime could pick up the post (after the next PM's election) instead of Sikua continuing the job? Fono could man the job if that is the case... |
A new PM must be elected by way of secret-ballot. When a Motion is successfully tabled, it doesn't mean that the OP has the immediate right to the PM's post. The government is removed and both the deposed government and OP required to submit their nominees for a secret ballot. Example, in 2002, after Ulufa'alu was removed, the GG ordered an emergency session in which Sogavare was elected. Recently, Soga was removed using this process.
But if the PM is assassinated or died, I believe that the deputy PM is the next in line to the throne and, if the government still have the majority, the DP maybe sworn in as the next PM. It has never been happened in SI (need to double check on that).
| Quote: | what's the opposition's take on this if they don't have the number? Will the opposition side still be satisfied if someone from the current rulling party got it instead of any one within their group?
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Again, it is highly unlike that if the government is removed, the OP wouldn't have the majority vote. It always the case that the OP have the majority of the votes after a successful MNC. But again, both sides of the aisle must submit their nominees for the secret-ballot. Needless to say that lobbying on both sides prior to the election of the PM sometimes too intense. Thus, the chances of the deposed government to gain support prior to the election hem high tu!
For the last part of that question, I think that as long as the election is carried out constitutionally or legally, OP bae kros bat kanse! But it is highly unlikely for a deposed government to be in control again after being toppled.
The OP knows very well that they need the majority of MPs to move a motion successfully as in the case of Sogavare vs. Sikua. From what I know, OP save movim MNC but without the support of the majority of the MPs bae OP no win. Remember when Nori was the OP leader back in the 90s, he moved MNC after another against Mamaloni and never won. Why? cos Mama was able to pull MPs to his side evritaim Nori moved a MNC.
Right now I believe that Sogavare is desperate but this is where political cunningness kicks in.
What Sogavare trying to do right now is to diminish or destroy the public confidence in the government, which Fono and Huniehu did so successfully last year against him. I think he is using this MNC notice to discredit this government and create in the minds of the public a negative image of Dr. Sikua and his government. That would be crucial when the MNC comes in and the pressure from the public kicks in.
I guess the bottom-line is that Sogavare is playing a very cunning political game, but he knows deep inside he won't win!
I am waiting for the outcome!
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Anna
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:43 am Post subject: |
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Which direction is the under current flowing? where are the loggers, other business people, govt workers, other workers, betal nut sellers, Honiara bus owners, taxi drivers, the common people and RAMSI? The support these people give or hold back can make a diffeence.
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sv
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:41 am Post subject: Notice for the motion of no confidence handed to Parliament |
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If Soga is playing a cunning political game he needs to seriously consider his options. Nobody is interested in any cunning political game and Soga must stop it.
As for Dr. Sikua, I urge you not to dish out any single cash in trying to keep your number intact. Far more better to preserve your good integrity than playing a cunning political game. Let the dirty politicians do all they can for you have nothing to loose as a leader if you maintain your integrity.
Stand firm Dr. Sikua and do not be swayed by allegations and counter allegations. You came in as one of the most less diluted, clean and straight forward leader and should bow out the same way, i.e. if the MNC is successful.
The public is watching the scenario very closely and whatever that unveils from both sides of the house will depict their true hidden characters.
Long Live the Sikua led govt!!!!!However, please cull some and do what is best for the nation. |
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