Tutuvatu Forum

Anna · Joined: 17 Dec 2007 Posts: 93

AK47 wrote:

sv · Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 195 Location: japan

An unhealthy person could largely impair his/her decision makings at any stage of his/her life.
So long as our PM does not miss any of his important appointments and continues to perform as expected of him is what really matters!
The only troublesome issue raised by Soga (if it is true), is our PM missing some of his appoinments during his overseas trips due to his alcohol consumption. If this is true then it is worrisome for such person who holds the highest political post in our land.
Until then, I would rather wait for Soga to verify his accussations against our PM.
Close aides to our PM and Soga's informant sources should prove or disprove these accussations.
Bia ia olsem soft drink blo samfala man lo solo tu ia......no ovam 2mas nogud oketa lo hospital taeti 4 katem leke blo u mi.......

pinmiz · Joined: 24 Dec 2007 Posts: 75 Location: Honiara

This is an extract from the hansard record of what happened to the PM (Sikua ) that day.

pinmiz

Mr Speaker, honestly I was saddened this morning that when we all came in the Prime Minister almost fell on the floor. Where are the officials, where is his Permanent Secretary, where are the officials from the office of the Prime Minister who could have stopped the Prime Minister from attending Parliament? I mean this guy was drunk last night obviously on how he was presenting himself on the floor of Parliament, and was sitting there literally sleeping.
Mr Speaker, is that the kind of leadership this country expects from a Prime Minister of the CNURA Government? A Prime Minister of Solomon Islands literally sleeping on the floor of Parliament? Goodness, gracious me, Mr Speaker! It is a sad thing when the guards literally came and lifted him off his chair and took him away. He was not sick of malaria. He was just too drunk to sit on his chair. Simple as that.
I am raising this, Mr Speaker, because we talked so much about a God graced government and yet that is not reflected one singe bit on the floor of Parliament. I would not have raised this if what happened was at his home, but this is the legislature, this is Parliament, and all of us leaders are expected to be sober, leaders to be in their normal sense and frame of mind, but yet here we are, a Prime Minister doing that. I would not care if he is the Deputy Prime Minister, the Minister of Finance or just any other Ministers or backbenchers. But here we are, the Prime Minister sitting in his chair fully drunk, out of his mind and was talking almost nonsense, naturally this is just not acceptable in Solomon Islands. May be it is acceptable somewhere else but not in a parliamentary democracy like ours.

Mr Kengava: Point of Order. I wan to point out that constant reference to the Prime Minister as being drunk should not be intended to discredit him. The Member of Parliament should think otherwise. Thank you.

Mr Speaker: Thank you honourable Deputy Speaker. I would like to refer honorable Members to Order 36(5) that we should not impute improper motive to another Member of Parliament or make unbecoming reference to his private affairs.

Mr Zama: Thank you, Mr Speaker, and I thank the Deputy Speaker for raising that point of order. I am raising this as a leader, and raising it with good intentions. I do not have malicious intentions whatsoever in raising this issue about the Prime Minister. I have no reason whatsoever to hate nobody. I am raising this simply because he is our Prime Minister, and not the Prime Minister of CNURA. He is the Prime Minister of Solomon Islands and I want to raise issues that all of us are aware of it.
Anyway, what I am raising here is hurting somebody but I am talking on real issues that we as leaders must address and not repeat it next time. Right!

sv · Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 195 Location: japan

from pinmiz's posting above it is very obvious that our PM was drunk during that particular parliament sitting.
maybe our PM should be very careful with his drinking habits from now on or else we might be highly embarrased by his attitude sometimes in the near future.
what do you think about all these latest revelations AK47????????
Do you think Soga is exaggerating the alcohol issue?

Mataaku · Joined: 25 Jun 2008 Posts: 20

The quote from the hansard posted here was well covered by the media during that time. The new allegations are said to be drinking too much in his (PM) overseas trips. These claims are yet to be verified.

I am still convinced that the blast by Sogavare in the personal life of the PM is a cheap shot to score political point, and nothing less. Opposition must have raised enough corrupt money to destabilised the good work of the current govt, under the leadership of PM Sikua. One practical example is the intended moving of the motion of no-confidence against PM Sikua.

Someone should sponsor a simple calculator for Sogavare and Waipora.

AK47 · Joined: 08 Nov 2007 Posts: 233

I am not convince either. The OP is trying another avenue after butting off their first No-Confidence motion attempt recently, but its futile to pursue something that isn't imminently obstructing current government activities.

We cannot take to consideration an outburst from the OP simply because we believe drinking alcohol is immoral. The posting above is one sided and if mr. Pinmiz is interested in balancing viewpoints, we would be reading the government's responses, especially from the PM himself, from the same post! Unfortunately Pinmiz's agenda is to point out how terrible the PM is and an attempt to discredit him. Mr. Pinmiz, how did the PM responded?

Reading the above outburst, it seems that Zama's main interest is in moral leadership. If our MPs are willing to debate the issues of moral leadership, Mr. Zama is guilty of it back to front! Falling asleep in the Parliament session, which Zama attributed to "too much beer" (which seems to be pure personal attack) is not unique to Dr. Sikua himself. And by the way, isn't this the same Zama that was charged of Corruption in 2004? isn't this the same MP who received two charges relate to the granting of a goods tax exemption in March 2004, when he was the Minister of Finance...? and who was sentenced to 20 months in jail for helping himself with $3,800 USD ($29,000) Tax exemption?

Samfala gud leader lelebet!
_________________
For of all sad words of tongue or pen,
The saddest are these:
It might have been.
............
John Greenleaf Whittier

Chala · Joined: 07 Nov 2007 Posts: 144 Location: Fiji

If indeed its true, such behaviour is not acceptable of a top leader especially if its interfering with his duties as PM. However, I think this might be getting too personal. People, even corrupt ones seem to nag at every little detail of the PM's and new govt's doings, so much so that they forget that they themselves have so much garbage in their backyard to clean up. Its not just about the PM, its the whole govt system(including the role of the opposition) and therefore the continuing negative attitude, fault-finding and disturbances by the opposition just brings everyone back to question the viability of the current govt and leadership hence to the suggestion of formation of yet another new govt or leader and more waste of time. This is a kind of vicious cycle that impedes advancement in every facet of governance. I think the opposition should just shut up for a while and let this govt work. Otherwise we'd lag back by another 2 decades or so more relative to the developed world.
_________________
One's Life is a journey in a world where one's destiny is influenced by one's surroundings

sv · Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 195 Location: japan

it does not mean bcos other MPs in parliament are immoral or corrupt hence our PM should not be scrutinized for his over indulgence in beer!
PM is the political head of any ruling govt therefore, he is subjected to public scrutiny especially when it concerns his work performance and issues that might affect his performances.
if what Soga has raised against our PM is found to be true then our PM must seriously consider his appetite for beer especially when he is supposed to attend to important appointments and meetings so as not to miss any of these appointments.
as for the opposition to shut up is premature indeed! any government has to have an opposition side to it, serving as the watch dog. Some of the opposition's criticisms of the current ruling coalition are really annoying but that is what politics is all about!
No one has any right to stop our PM from consuming alcohol for that is his own right however, as citizens of our country we must all be rightly concerned of his health and his attitude towards alcohol especially considering that he has more important tasks to perform at hand.

Eddie · Joined: 13 Feb 2008 Posts: 129 Location: Kiwi

In my opinion i think the parliament house should introduce regulations to govern members behaviour/fit when comes to parliament meetings, since, this is the highest meeting for our national leaders and the least we expect from them is being fit to attend these meetings, cos, the public are watching and listening to the discussions and contributions.
I was watching a video clip from BBC while ago, a football referee from Belarus was shown red card, cos , he was too drunk and could not control himself while he was about to ref a league match, and he has to be carried out from the field. This is an example of odd things happening and we don't expect these things to be happened in that way. Similarly, we don't expect a preacher to get drunk and preaching to the public or in church.

Chala · Joined: 07 Nov 2007 Posts: 144 Location: Fiji

I think the PM should not take more alcohol than necessary as to make him sleepy the next day in parliament or miss important meetings. Thats uncalled for obviously. Mr Soga of all people though, shouldnt be talking about which meetings to attend or miss cos he had the same problem or worse last time. Also, the recent call by the opposition for an mnc is a strong sign that all they want is to be back in power whether its in the interest of the people or not. Just hungry for power. The more noise they make, the more I think they want to run the govt and its not just their way to help point the current govt in the right direction.

I agree though that drunk and incapable or sleepy people shouldnt be allowed into a parliament session. Some kind of penalty might help and those MPs who continue to maintain these behaviours have to reconsider their positions.
_________________
One's Life is a journey in a world where one's destiny is influenced by one's surroundings

pinmiz · Joined: 24 Dec 2007 Posts: 75 Location: Honiara

Let me clarify why I posted that extract from the Hansard. I did it because reading through the postings on this particular issue, contributors to the issue seemed to pose question relating to proof. Indeed if AK47 have the response from the PM especially for that particular case (sleeping in Parliament). It would be good if AK47 can post it so that we all can have access to it. In relation to other allegations that the OP leveled against the PM like everyone else I take it as allegations and I am in no way intend to discredit the PM nor do I have any agenda whatsoever to depict the PM as a terrible person. If AK47 judge that I want to discredit the PM that is you own judgement and you’re entitle to your judgement. But I think the public need to be aware of the strengths and weaknesses of their leaders let alone the PM and let them make their own conclusions.

To verify the new allegations is not my business. But looking back in history especially when the current PM was PS and Minister of Education I remembered one incident in Singapore at the Li Meriden Hotel where the Security officers have to be called in to drag him (current PM) out of the hotel to the airport. He was totally insane and the minister he was traveling that time end up doing all the work that he should be responsible for. I am quite sure the PM needs to re-look at his drinking habits now that he is our PM

The question of motion of no confidence is something up to the politicians to deal with. We can all express ourselves but the onus is with the MPs. My personal view is our current leaders talk so much but do very little for the advancement of the country.

pinmiz

tkorax · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:01 am Post subject: Dont Dwell on the past

Hi Wantoks,
Everyone makes mistake. If all accusations about his drinking habits are true then It is a personal matter that PM himself seriously need to address and get help to fix it. I mean to have to be dragged out of your chair by guards in Parliament and Singapore are certainly far too execisive for a National Leader. But i dont think it warrants a motion of no confidence.

I hope that our PM learns from these mistakes and continue to with his leadership. Whilst it is a personal matter, his a role model and needs to be mindful about public perception.

I hope Soga and his group does not come back into Power.